Weekly Wringer #97: Looking Back at the Hipster in All of Us

The Commodore is back this week to take on a fan-submitted question about our love of things long past. Under consideration this week is whether or not we can truly appreciate art that came before (or even after) our time. Or are all of us that love these things just a bunch of hipsters in geek clothing? Put the PBR down and listen up as the Commodore gives his take. And then it’s on to a question for next week that might just see you taking out the old N64 controller just to remember what it feels like. It’s the Weekly Wringer!

MP3 Version here: Weekly Wringer 97

Link to the aforementioned Vsauce video: Vsauce – Why do we feel nostalgia?

35 Comments

  • Red Mage Red Mage
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    No. My personal favorite controller is the Wii Classic Controller Pro. It’s got the necessary 4 main buttons, multiple shoulder buttons, 2 analog sticks and a decent d-pad. The general shape of the controller and handles just fit well in my hand. The controller is my preferred way to play all virtual console games and any Wii game that supports it. It’s a shame that a lot of Wii games don’t support it and rather support just the remote and nunchuck combo. The only thing I can detract from the controller is that the buttons as far as I know are not pressure sensitive. It’s really only a small flaw because I never really noticed the pressure sensitivity in controllers like PS2 and Xbox. Granted, this controller really isn’t all that much different from the Xbox360 controller and most recent controllers which have similar layouts but it’s the little details like the shape of the controller that make the difference between a favorite controller and the rest. Controllers have generally gotten better and better with each generation. Besides Nintendo (who goes out of there way to experiment ex. N64, Wii, WiiU) most generations build on past generation designs gradually keeping and improving on the innovations that work.

    • Red Mage Red Mage
      Posted Jun/04/2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

      Thinking further about the question, I could be argued the SNES controller is the greatest or at least most influential of all time. It’s the blueprint that most game controllers have followed since its inception (except for ironically Nintendo’s own controllers). A few innovations have been added since like handles, an extra set of shoulder buttons and two analog sticks as well wireless functionality but it’s apparent the basic design of the Xbox 360 controller has its roots in the design of the SNES controller.

  • jaysquiggles
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Been playing alot of SNES and Sega games since getting the 3-in-1. Just got the original Zelda and Link to the Past… will get around to beating them. :) Thanks again for the suggestion :)

  • jaysquiggles
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Okay, well if you can’t commit to another 100 episodes, can you commit to…. another 2 years? :)

  • jaysquiggles
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    I liked the 360 controller but felt it was a bit bulky to get used to, at first. Always liked the PS1 and PS2 controllers. I guess my inner retro is coming out when I think the NES and SNES controllers were the best! Take it one further – the Artari “joy stick” was better and it only needed one button! :)

  • Posted Jun/04/2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    This is something my brother and I often argue/talk about because I always back the 360 controller and he doesn’t budge from praising the PS3 controller. His quick and simple explanation that the Playstation controller will always be better is because of the D-pad position, comfort and response. My come back is that the analog grip slips too much with the PS3. That’s about as far as I can get talking to him about it because he feels nothing else matters. If he took a moment to lower his nose from the clouds I could get into the well-balanced spring in the trigger buttons compared to the nothing-more-than-a-button R2 and L2 on the PS3 controller.
    The biggest difference between the 360 and PS3 would be that the D-pad and left analog stick are in opposite positions. The 360 controller wins out due to the many more uses for the analog stick. Having it higher up on the left (in main-play area) strains the knuckle of the thumb far less for an extended play.
    There’s also something almost unnoticeable unless you’ve played a game without this design bonus. The problem can be felt with the Sega Dreamcast:
    Problem – The grip in the back is too tight and distracts from the game.
    360 Solution – The sunken full grip is used (PS3 doesn’t really) but used properly with a wider flatter spacing with curves that never limit finger placement but instead flow downward to leave it from the gamer’s attention thereby improving reflex and enjoyment.

    I have to of course say that the SNES controller sits in the middle of it all as the end of distracting uncomfortable controllers and the beginning of consideration to the physical end of gamer interaction with the game. The wider spacing with rounded grips made the 4-button to 8-button play transition a breeze. The steps up to the 360 since solved many more problems many gamers likely never thought about.
    -No more palm cramps after a short hour.
    -No finger slips when cornering a turn.
    -No slow constant finger repositioning while trying to take down a boss.
    -No blisters from button combos and dual-grinds like Mega Man X sprint jumps.

    Can it get any better? Well hell yes it can. The 360′s D-pad does do a poor job. I even bought that grey special whatever controller that’s supposed to help… it doesn’t help much.
    The ultimate would mean a D-pad transplant with a PS3 controller.

    Hmm… I wonder how difficult that would actually be…

  • Mr. K Mr. K
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Here’s what I think. You can’t just label any one controller the “best” simply because of the way it is.

    Everything came from something else. The design for the 360 controller came from the same growing pains that the Dual Shock PS3 controller came from. It all spawned from the same concept, which was a blocky TV-remote copy. Even TV remotes have evolved into more ergonomic devices, compared to the metal plated box the size of a Kraft macaroni and cheese container my old console TV had.

    I may not have a 360, but I have a wired 360 controller to play computer games. It’s pretty nice, but I don’t like the position of the control stick. I prefer its location on the PlayStation controller, which, thankfully has not changed position in three iterations.

    However, my buddy Josh likes how high up the control stick is on the 360, and it’s one of the reasons why he has one of those and not a PS3. I guess he likes to pay for internet access on top of paying for internet access. I dunno.

    At the same time, my buddy Chris has the biggest hands I’ve ever seen. He still to this day thinks the N64 has the best controller and can wrap his hand around the left stick and reach to the C-buttons. He still loves it the most because of how laid out and spaced everything is. I’m sure he would have loved the uber-massive old school XBOX controller, but he never owned an XBOX. Hell, I have small lady hands and I loved the big ass XBOX controller.

    So not only does it have to do with growing pains, it has to do with personal preference. To label one controller as the best with a single, sweeping opinion is ridiculous. To each their own.

  • DTX180
    Posted Jun/04/2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    When dealing with a question about “the best”, its really hard to give an answer if there is a large amount of choices (such as console controllers).

    With that said, I definitely think the 360′s controller is up there. The Playstation controller gets a lot of praise because were somewhat used to it. Its essentially been the same thing since 1994. Its deserves some respect for standing such a long test of time, but I do think the 360′s controller improved upon it a bit.

    The other main contender to me is (the already mentioned a few times), the SNES. L/R buttons first introduced here, and overall it definitely was the blueprint for the Playstation (1,2 and 3) and Xbox (original and 360) controllers. Good button spacing, and I also thought it was a good touch to make the x/y buttons concave and the a/b buttons convex. No controller since has really done this, but its a minor added “touch”.

    If I had to rank them, I’d probably say the 360′s is the best. SNES, and PS1/2/3 are really good too. Also just to inject some hipster into this topic (sorry, i had to), I have to say I didn’t hate the Saturn’s controller.

  • Posted Jun/04/2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for the warm welcome back! I am hoping to be able to post more often again.

    I would have to say that the Playstation controller is the champion since the introduction of the analog sticks. The crux of my argument is placed solely on the position of the analog stick with respect to that of the Xbox 360′s controller. I believe it is much easier to quickly flick up to the D-pad in a time of need, rather than trying to stretch down on the 360 controller.

    Outside of this difference, I would say both controllers rank as the best controllers ever created. The versatility and comfort of them is outstanding, it feels natural to hold in your hands. I want to include the Wii Pro controller due to its similarities, but I hate that stupid controller. It feels super stiff and something about the lacking elevation differences on the face that does not feel right.

    I do not necessarily hate old controllers, however, they do not have the same ergonomic and comfortable feel to them as indicated by Bearded Drew. Take the NES controller for example, when I play too much Super C, my hands start to hurt from the awkward grasp, and I can no death run the game so its not even like I marathon it.

    For those who are concerned about slipping on the Playstation controllers, little caps or concave joysticks can be purchased to emulate the feel of an Xbox controller.

    I was really surprised to see the Atari controller listed. Those things are terrible and unresponsive for such terrible games. Remember the attachment thing we talked about just now? I truly believe that without nostalgia, no one really likes old Atari games. I understand their importance, like the adventure game being the first to credit developers of a game; it does not mean the game is any good though. My brother got excited and got an Atari with a bunch of games, we found almost every one of them unplayable. I normally don’t like focusing on pessimism, but I do feel it puts the little cherry on top.

  • SmokePants
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    There are four main areas where I feel the 360 controller dominates:

    1) Offset stick placement. It is a regular occurrence with the PS3 controller that my thumbs knock into each other. My hands are thoroughly average in size for an American and I know I’m not the only one this happens to. Even if they weren’t colliding, it just feels better to have my thumbs comfortably apart on the controller. I’m also pretty sure that one being high on the pad and the other being low helps distinguish them in my brain. Picking up a PS3 controller cold, I’ll sometimes mix up which stick does what.

    2) The sticks themselves. A slightly broken-in 360 controller has just the right amount of resistance on the analog sticks, relative to their size. You can feel them travel and you know which direction they’re pointed based on the direction of the tug back to center. But the tightness isn’t so much that it wears out the thumb.

    I also appreciate the thumb wells, which make it almost impossible to slip off the stick, no matter which angle you’re pushing. I find that I can lay my thumb flat across the pad (rather than craning it downward slightly) and steer with the ball of my thumb rather than the tip. It’s the video game version of driving a car with one hand at 6 O’Clock and the other hand down your pants — it’s great.

    3) Triggers. Put simply, the lineage of Xbox controllers are the only major console controllers that even have what you could comfortably call triggers. This is a huge advantage in most contemporary game genres where you often need to “squeeze” a gas pedal or, obviously, the trigger of a gun.

    4) Ergonomics. The shell of the 360 pad is pretty much the optimal shape for contouring the human hand. Take one look at the Wii U Pro controller and it’s essentially a 360 pad with the face buttons in the WRONG(!) spot.

    —-

    So, yes, the 360 pad is the king of the polygonal era. Its Achilles heel is, of course, its D-pad, which is a combination of unwieldy and inaccurate. The newer version of the controller with the transforming D-pad solves half the problem in that it feels better, but it still gives me fits when I press right and it registers an up or a down.

    The wonky D-pad isn’t a big deal with today’s games relegating it to a supporting role — or even completely omitting it from the control scheme — but it’s hard to call a controller the greatest when it is inadequate to play most of the games released before 1995. Still, I’m going to do it anyway, with an asterisk.

    Hopefully, the Xbox One pad will erase that singular caveat and finally deliver the D-Pad this controller deserved.

  • Young-blood Young-blood
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    For me, no, it isn’t my favourite (Which I think would have been a better way to ask this). It just isn’t comfortable to me – it’s too large to fit right in my hands. I prefer the SNES and PS2 controllers personally.

  • Markies
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    I would actually argue that the XBOX 360 controller could be the worst controller on a popular console. There are far more worst controllers on other consoles, but in terms of a console’s popularity, the 360 controller could be the worst one on an extremely popular machine.

    In saying this, I don’t own a 360 and I have only played one for a few hours while I was over at my friends’ houses. So, I am going by my limited experience and the opinions I have heard from others around me.

    First of all, the D-Pad is terrible and the worst one since the Gamecube. It is way too small, mushy and completely unresponsive. It is also completely temperamental and incredibly difficult to use on any old school game. Also, it has ridges that would rip up my thumb.

    The buttons are stiff and do not work properly at all. Also, their layout is not intuitive and take some serious getting used too.

    The triggers are way too hard and do not work well on a fighting game at all. In fact, I can only see them doing well on a FPS.

    Also, the shape of the controller is rather awkward. I have lengthy hands and it took some serious configuring just to hold it properly.

    It took some time, but I eventually got used to the original XBOX controller. But, the 360 is something that would take some serious time and has put me off on the console.

    But, I have to agree with the above posters. The SNES & PS2 Controllers are the best. And I would even add the NES controller with its simplicity as another good one!

  • TreuloseTomate TreuloseTomate
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Yes.

    For a long time the Gamecube controller was my favourite one. But it has been dethroned since I bought a 360 controller for my PC. I don’t own an XBox360, so I don’t know if there is a difference. But the USB 360 controller is almost perfect. It sits good in my hands, has good weight, is not too light. The shoulder triggers and the sticks are very smooth and precise, good for racing games. The only thing I don’t quite like are the shoulder buttons. I can’t reach them as comfortably as the triggers.
    I mostly use it for 2D platformers and emulators though, so I can’t say if it works fine with FPS games. But why would you ever play an FPS with a controller?

  • Posted Jun/05/2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Its obvious the best controller of all time is the Kinect. Its the most innovative and amazing peace of hardware I’ve ever used. (j/k)

    When I was deciding which console to buy for this generation, I ultimately went with the 360 because I liked the controller the best. The 360 controller is without a doubt the best controller ever made despite it’s garbage d pad.

    I feel its better than the Sony Duel Shock / everything else because of a few reasons:
    1) Its extremely ergonomic.
    2) The Placement of the joy sticks is the best of any controller. (Having a joystick where sony’s d-pad on their controller is a much better setup)
    3) The button ‘feel’ is really nice on it, especially with the bumper buttons, the click they give you when you press them its quite nice. The triggers also have a really good feel to them and work great in many applications from FPSes to Racing games. The ABXY buttons also have a good feel.
    4) The plastic they use and the weight of the controller feels high quality. Much higher quality than any controller ever made before it.

    The only modifications i would like to see to the current 360 controller is to have the ABXY buttons dip in slightly instead of out. Have joysticks that last longer, as I’ve already gone though 3 controllers since 2008. It would also be nice if the controller had a functional D-Pad.

    The game cube controller could be considered more ergonomic by comparison but the weird layout of the ABYX buttons make playing certain types of games (like Side-scrollers) nearly impossible, where the 360 controller has no issues because of its standard SNES style layout.

    The new xbox one controller looks like it could be worse than the current one because of how the bumpers and triggers are touching, its could be a step forward but it looks kinda clunky from the photos I’ve seen and I’m thinking its going to feel worse. I just imagine this really hallow feel from the bumpers instead of the nice click we have today.

  • VIOLENTxTOASTER VIOLENTxTOASTER
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Hello Commodore! In regard to my name the “x” is just a space and is not actually a part of the name (To be honest, it probably should have been an underscore).

    Now on to the question. I think that the Xbox 360 controller is probably the best controller of all time. It works well and has a great feel. Everything is reachable and comfortable on the controller. It does the job it is supposed to do which is to not get in the way between the player and the game. That is why everyone is basically copying the controller. Even third party controllers on the Playstation and pro controllers on the Wii and Wii U have moved to the arrangement of the Xbox 360 controller.

    Now I think it got to be the greatest because of the controllers of previous video game consoles. The Xbox 360 controller was not really revolutionary. Nothing on the controller was necessarily new. They have to give credit to many of the systems from Sony and Nintendo for their controller. They may have not introduced anything new but they just got everything right when it came to tweaking the buttons on the controller. For those reasons I feel it has earned its way to be the best controller of all time.

    -Andrew

  • mrandycretin mrandycretin
    Posted Jun/05/2013 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    xbox 360 controller best of all time? it’s pretty good, but i wouldn’t say it’s the best. i like how it’s pretty much slapping dual analog sticks onto an snes controller, but i don’t care for the placement of the d-pad.
    well…now i’m looking at it, and i’m not sure. when i play xbox games with it it seems to fit fine… but plugging it into the pc and using it for retro games… i just really wish the d-pad and left analog were switched…more akin to the ps2 controller.

    the n64 is nice, though too. maybe an n64 controller with a better analog stick..

    i’d also like to try a AlphaGrip AG-5 PC Gaming and Text Entry Controller. i feel like i could get a lot done with that.

  • Siska83
    Posted Jun/06/2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    I personally never liked the 360 layout, every since analog sticks emerged I’ve always preferred Sony’s layout with the D-pad. That being said, I loved the SNES controller. I feel as games evolved and become more sophisticated the need for extra controls made games unnecessarily complicated which for me took away some of the fun factor.

    Side note/question. I know PC gaming has come quite a long way, to a point now that I feel the PC can/should be considered a console or at least a competitor for the consoles. Would a Keyboard/mouse count as a controller? If so that would be my vote.

  • Randrox Randrox
    Posted Jun/07/2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    I answer no, I am not a fan of X-box 360 controller. Personally I don’t like how my hands line up on the bumpers. Or analog sticks for that matter. The analogs always feel dull and not as responsive. Do I have to say anything about the battery pack? I hate the all one piece d-pad. Analog to d-pad layout is awful.

    My Controller Rank Order Is:(best to worst)
    1. Playstation (considering all versions with the exemption of PS4)
    2. N64 (My two complaints about the N64 controller are: One they leak powder and break. Two: To use the d-pad you had to completely move your hand.)
    3. Snes
    4. X-box (considering all versions with the exemption of X-box One)
    5. Game Cube
    6. Wii U tablet
    7. Genesis
    8. Nes
    9. Wii classic
    10. Wii Remote + Chuck
    11. Master System
    12. Atari

    I have not used a Saturn, Dreamcast, Jaguar, Neo Geo or Turbo GX … So I can’t judge. I also left keyboard and mouse off as that’s sorta a different animal.

    Aside from the question I have a request. Can you give us a close up of the Star Trek action figure set that’s been in the back ground of your videos? I want one so bad, where did you get it?

    &

    I also have a question: Now that we know the new X-Box is called “X-Box One”. Is this the worst console name or is there something else that could be considered the worst console name of all time?

    +++Please no one answer this until its an official question.+++

  • I Feel Asleep I Feel Asleep
    Posted Jun/07/2013 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    I think that the Xbox 360 controller is probably the best modern controller design but as others have mentioned the d-pad is pretty bad. The PS3 controller is very nice and if it had the analog stick and d-pad inverted it might beat out the Xbox 360 controller. As far as old school controllers the SNES is my favorite hands down.

    • Mr. K Mr. K
      Posted Jun/08/2013 at 10:04 am | Permalink

      I prefer the location of the control stick on the PlayStation controller. Reaching for the d-pad is a better ergonomically fluid movement because you reach up for it. Less strain on your hand and wrist.

      With the 360 controller, to reach the d-pad you have to reach over and across. Less fluid.

      • I Feel Asleep I Feel Asleep
        Posted Jun/08/2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

        That is a fair point but for me I like how the sticks are spaced out further and with the left one higher it feels more natural when using the stick as the main input. At least for me anyway.

        Also in reading my post again I should have said favorite rather than best in regards to the 360 controller.

        • Mr. K Mr. K
          Posted Jun/08/2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

          Agreed. I think as my final word on this subject, Commodore’s assessment of “best” should have been substituted in favor of “favorite.” “Best” implies finality.

          If it’s his favorite, that’s fine, because I respect his opinion. Even if he chooses to pay for internet access on top of paying for internet access. The thing is, there have been zero empirical studies to quantify what “best” means in this situation.

          • Randrox Randrox
            Posted Jun/10/2013 at 9:19 am | Permalink

            I honestly don’t like the way the sticks aren’t on the same level. It might work a little better if they switched the buttons and the right stick. No I take that back, You would then be making the awkward thumb down motion that Mr. K was talking about. Talk about a major wrist cramp.

            In deciding which console to buy 360 or Ps3. To me it came down to the controller. I made my choice at Best Buy, after holding each controller in my hand. If sony went with the boomerang I would have bought a 360.

          • Mr. K Mr. K
            Posted Jun/10/2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

            I wasn’t discussing wrist cramps, but repetitive stress injuries. Just because you can’t feel it doesn’t mean it isn’t doing damage.

            My right wrist has taken too much abuse over the years (that’s what she said). Mainly from using a mouse. I don’t need the same thing to happen to the left.

          • DJ_ConWren DJ_ConWren
            Posted Jun/21/2013 at 9:06 am | Permalink

            LOL – I’m so glad you brought this up MR.K because I have a strong opinion on this.

            PAIN = GAME

            Until they invent a controller that doesn’t cause any pain, we will continue to break our hands. (Kinekt is not my thing at all, I love holding a stick.)…(that’s what she said)

            I play games, click, type, spin records, & play drums. my hands & wrists are trashed. I sort of view this as a necessary evil. IT’S a BADGE OF ACHIEVMENT! (I’m gonna regret this post as I get older.)

  • Randrox Randrox
    Posted Jun/10/2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    I also have friends that tell me the Game Cube controller is the best. I just don’t get it. The controller was a mess. The buttons are all different sizes and shapes. The thing always feel funky in my hands, the top L & R top buttons wrap around you fingers in the most uncomfortable way. however i did like the yellow joystick. The one without the mushroom thumb pad. I have often wondered what a ps controller you be like with this style of control sticks. I assume the love for it comes from Nintendo Fanboyism.

    • Posted Jun/10/2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

      Try playing Tony Hawk 3 or 4 on the GC and you’ll begin to understand why the controller is so great. Its not the best for every game but when its good for a game, its REALLY good.

    • Mr. K Mr. K
      Posted Jun/10/2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      I thought the c-stick for the Gamecube was terrible. Especially if you were playing one of the Zelda collection games. The weapons that were originally c-buttons on the N64 were tied to the c-stick. It was so unusable that Nintendo gave dual functionality for the X-Y-Z buttons to avoid using weapons on the stick. The c-stick only made using the Ocarina better.

  • Randrox Randrox
    Posted Jun/10/2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    ” I have often wondered what a ps controller you be like with this style of control sticks” Should be: I have often wondered what a ps controller would be like with this style of control sticks

  • Randrox Randrox
    Posted Jun/12/2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    It was so intolerable on Wind Waker that I eventually gave up and bought a converter so I could use a ps2 controller. Then using the ps2 controller I kicked everyone’s butt on smash bros. Also I remember trying to play my cousin’s Mega Man Collection with that thing. What a nightmare.

  • Randrox Randrox
    Posted Jun/12/2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Nintendo sure has been on the downstep with each new controller.

  • smelly586
    Posted Jun/13/2013 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Hey y’all, first time commenting here. I’ve been listening to the podcasts a lot, and like to share my thoughts on this question.

    As a lot of people stated already: the best controller ever is hard to define. I own a Xbox 360, and have a separate ps3 controller wich I use with emulators on my laptop. I love them equally.

    I think the distinction is to make in wich games you play. For the 2D style/retro games, a good working functional D-pad is a MUST. I’d pick the ps3 controller over everything. The buttons are also more responsive in my opinion.

    Also when going with more slow-paced current generation games (I love rpgs), I prefer the ps3 controller. It’s lighter and more compact and I prefer the position of the analog sticks.

    But, when going for some serious shooting/racing, you should go with the 360 controller. The triggers are perfect, and most of the time you don’t need the regular buttons anyway in these games. Of course I hate the d-pad, but what’s new. Also a thing I can’t get used to is the naming of the buttons. I grew up with the NES/SNES, and after that I went with Playstation for a long time. After 2 years of owning a 360 I still have to look down sometimes when asked to press the ‘X’ button.

  • Vulcan Assassin Vulcan Assassin
    Posted Jun/15/2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    The Xbox 360 Controller is absolutely NOT the best controller ever; for two reasons, in multiple parts:

    Reason #1 – The controller has too many flaws.

    -The D-Pad is oversensitive and can cause frustration. It’s floating pad design has never been as accurate as the D-pad on controllers like SNES or Playstation. Even the Sega Saturn’s Floating D-pad design works better.

    -The fact that it’s hardware is problematic. The rechargeable battery packs are notorious for short circuits, disconnects, and short lifespans, which can cause frustration as well (I have missed a perfect score or two because of the controller randomly turning off with no warning, and I know from friends I am not alone on this).

    - It’s too difficult to change the controller port/Number. If your controller is on as player 2, and player 2 leaves so you decide to use that controller as player 1… good luck! odd are you will have to disconnect both controllers, maybe even sign out of xbox live depending on the game. On PS3, you could do it easily and manually in settings. on older systems, you just had to take it out of port 2 and pop it in port 1. Xbox could have made that so much simpler than they did.

    - They are not very durable. I have analog controllers from old PS1′s that are decades old now and they still work perfect for me. I have never had an xbox 360 controller last more than 10 months before one of the buttons stops operating properly (it’s usually on of the bumper buttons.

    Reason #2 – It’s too vague of a title to give anyway.

    I mean, it’s too difficult to label any controller as the “best controller” you’d have to be more specific to the TYPE of controller. For example, in the older days, that WAS the argument, especially among us PC game players. Some people like the “game pad” design. Some people preferred the large “joystick” design (which was normal then but now you only see them on flight stick controllers – I have a friend that would only play doom with a joystick that had turn ability (like a rudder control). And that’s just one example. My point is: some controllers are only suited to certain players.

    Also, there is the other side of this coin: some controllers are only suited for certain games. Examples would be fighting controllers such as the ones for the original xbox made for street fighter games, or flight sticks, or racing/steering wheels, track balls, light guns, etc. And each of these types have better and not-so-good controllers for that type.

    Look I could debate this all day, and don’t even get me started on the advantages/disadvantages of using a Keyboard and mouse (hey, they are “controllers” too, like or not). But as I said, for these reasons to me the XBox 360 controller will never be the best.

  • DJ_ConWren DJ_ConWren
    Posted Jun/21/2013 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    Nope. there all great, & they all suck. I agree w/Vulcan Assassin though..

    XBOX360 = NOT THE BEST = BATTERIES?! ugh!

    I remember being trashed and losing a really good run on “DOA Beach Volley Ball” over dead batteries. & you can get the rechargeable pack thing, but that costs more money… ugh.

    I will give it this: the shape is nice initially. but like any controller it starts to hurt your hands.

    I get the feeling Commodore128 most likely loves it. it’s the most ‘apple’ thing I’ve seen from Microsoft

    lol – Yes, i have broken hands from playing games, spinning records, clicking, typing & broken wrists from playing drums. To be honest I’ve never been mad at a controller for that. Maybe at first I’ll have a complaint about the grip, but then the start screen goes away & the game starts, & I force my hands to adapt (& Break).

    If the question then becomes “What’s the most pain caused by a video game controller?” I’d have to go with the Dreamcast controller, for some reason this is also my fav. (probably nostalgia.)

    BE EZ EVERYONE!

    -Con

  • Posted Jun/23/2013 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    OH SNAP! HappyConsoleGamer Ripped you off Commodore! He just posted a ‘WHATS YOUR FAVOURITE CONTROLLER?’ video this morning.
    (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AReluIpvsX8)

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