Weekly Wringer 69: Smash Hits!

Smash Brothers is awesome. No argument there. But is there an iteration that clearly stands out above the rest? Let’s get the battle for supremacy of the Smash Brothers franchise begin! After giving his own spin on the argument, the Commodore looks asks a question for next week that will give you yet another reason to see the Avengers with every other person in the known universe this week. it’s the Weekly Wringer!

28 Comments

  • Garmonbozia
    Posted May 9, 2012 at 9:40 PM | Permalink

    Personally, I think it’s a product of a bigger issue, the lack of new idea’s in Hollywood. I’m not positive whether it has

    more to do with a lack of good content, or whether Hollywood is just less willing to take risks. The reason so many

    superheroe movies are made these days, is that they’re already pre-established idea’s that are garunteed to sell. It isn’t

    just superhero movies. Think of the most anticipated movies of the year: Avengers (already as you said a hit), The 

    Dark Knight Rises, Prometheus, The Hobbit (I’m sure I’m leaving some out). All of these are pre-established franchises.

    This isn’t something new, this has been something that’s been going for a long time now, and everybody is aware of it.

    It’s either a remake, a sequal or a prequal or an adaptation. Occasionally a risk is taken like with District 9, where it

    easilly could have flopped. It seems obvious to me, that an original idea just can’t possibly make as much money as 

    something with a pre-established fan base. The film industry is aware of this and that’s why we see so many remakes and

    the like. 

    So am I tired of it? Of course I’m tired of it, but I am no more tired of it then I am of all the ridiculous remakes or the

    endless barage of romantic comedies with there dated pop-culture jokes, product placement and forced romances.

  • The Male White Mage The Male White Mage
    Posted May 9, 2012 at 10:14 PM | Permalink

    The only issues with superhero movies that I have is how they do a prequel movie after establishing the character(s) and events after a series of movies or the next movie being a reboot, (how many times do you need to see how Batman or Spider-Man came to be?)

    Another thing with superhero movies is in the past decade is that the special effects are better and CGI is needed in making a superhero movie work while, (take superhero movies from the 90’s and back, see how much less they use there abilities or how lacking they can be.)

    Myself I don’t watch many of the superhero movies since I do not care for or never heard of some of them.

     

  • DTX180
    Posted May 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM | Permalink

    I probably have too much to say about this issue because I’ve been talking about this subject off and on for years now…..but I’ll try and keep it within reason.

    I’ve been tired of superhero movies for 5+ years now.

    I’m a fairly big Marvel fan, especially in the early 90s when I collected cards and some comics. But I’ll be honest with you, the only good marvel movies since the fad took off (I’d say 2000 with the release of X-men was the beginning) to me have been X-Men 1 and 2, and maybe Iron Man 1. I haven’t watched X-Men 1/2 in a while now, so tying into last week, it could be nostalgia talking. As for DC superhero movies, the only ones I’ve liked were Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

    I think the reason for this is it seems that almost all of these superhero movies have been really formulaic.

    Meet a guy with some physical or mental issue (or both), and gets his powers. Usually meeting a potential love interest who is portrayed as in control but needs the hero to rescue her at the end. The wise figure who keeps the hero grounded and rational when the going gets tough, etc. Add in some solid special effects, and there ya go. Summer action movies will continue to do it this way when they rack in the $$$.

    I saw The Avengers and thought it was actually pretty good. Its right with Iron Man 1 as part of the “not a must see, but pretty good” tier. It had a semi-fresh take with superhero team ups. I will admit that I could tell you Joss Whedon wrote and directed the movie by just watching it (the humor, a few other things that I won’t say for spoiler reasons), but it was still solid.

    A direction I’d rather see the superhero movie genre go is not make some adaptation of something that already exists (mostly of the Marvel and DC variety), and see new heroes and story ideas. But that really could be applied to all genres these days.

    So yes, I am kinda tired of superhero movies. Its not that most of these superhero movies are bad per-se, its just that most seem to be stuck in that 4/10 to 7/10 range. Mediocrity due lack of creativity.

     

  • ShirowWolf
    Posted May 9, 2012 at 11:50 PM | Permalink

      Nah, I’m not tired of superhero movies per se; I just wish that there were more that were better. For me, it’s just part of movies in general; I wish there were more exceptional ones. Most of the recent superhero movies I’ve seen lately are just okay, or….not good. I admit I am behind though; I have not yet seen Green Lantern, Captain America, Thor, or X-Men: First Class. Otherwise, I’ve seen most other recent stuff. Iron Man really stood out to me; it was a fun movie, and honestly, it reminded me of how movies were made in 1980’s, to some degree. That was the last one I saw I’d call really ‘great.’ Yes, The Dark Knight is a good movie, too, but I don’t understand the people that just went completely bonkers over it. It is a very well-done movie, sure, but not my favorite. I am overall pleased with Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man movies though; it’s overall a great series. And yes, I do like Spider-Man 3. ;P It’s not my favorite in the series, and has problems, but it doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets.

       Sequels tend to follow the usual trend of not being as good as the first, and sometimes even being much worse. An example of that is Elektra; while Daredevil was definitely not a good movie, like…at all, Elektra is reportedly even worse. I…don’t care to watch it myself to find out. Otherwise, as far as just not being as good goes, I’d say Iron Man 2 falls under here. I like the movie; it’s decent. Again, it’s…just not as good as the first. The original impact isn’t there, which I guess is to be expected. There honestly weren’t any real surprises either, and you knew what to expect, pretty much exactly. I really liked Blade, which actually kind of restarted the whole trend of making superhero movies again. Blade II is….I’d call okay, but also not great. And there is no third movie. Nope. I…don’t know what these people who claim there is one are talking about! ¬ ¬ A lot of fans generally also agree that X-Men: The Last Stand and the Wolverine movie are….just not good either, and given comments I’ve heard, that’s being far too kind.

       Once in a rare while though, there have been sequels that actually may have been better than the originals. Fans generally agree that X2 falls under here, and many still call it one of, if not the, best of the superhero movies. A lot of fans also consider Spider-Man 2 to be better than the original; I’m personally torn on that one. And, of course, many feel The Dark Knight also far surpassed its original. I don’t really agree on that one though, but it was still a good movie. I would also just….barely put Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer on here, too…Both FF movies are bad; but…honestly, the second one is…a little better?

        One thing that’s beginning to happen that I’m already tired of are series being started all over again, sometimes even too soon. Spider-Man is the best example; did they really need to start the whole series all over again already? I understand why they felt  the need to start Batman over, but guess what? The Warners have already said that, after Nolan’s run is over, which it soon will be, the next inevitable movie will be…yes, another restart. They have to ‘reinvent Batman,’ is the phrase they used. Why? Granted, we see, for example, backstory to how Bruce became Batman in Nolan’s movies that we didn’t see previously; are they going to go through that all over again? The Punisher was also started over again, for no real reason, with The Punisher: War Zone, and guess what? It sucked. If you’re going to restart a series, you have to try harder than that (although I’d also argue that most people…probably don’t care much about the Punisher anymore anyway, so it was probably kind of silly to try and make a movie about him, let alone 2). So…what was the point again? Granted, the movie prior, which was, in itself a restart, technically, wasn’t ‘great’ either, but Thomas Jane is pretty good in the movie.  The Incredible Hulk was….also not that good, to me. I don’t really recommend it, and didn’t find it that interesting. Yeah, yeah, it has a cameo from Tony Stark, but it’s not worth it just to see that.

      

  • Furious George Furious George
    Posted May 9, 2012 at 11:52 PM | Permalink

    No. I am not tired of superhero movies at all… and the reason is that I believe that superhero movies are an entire film genre in itself. Sure they have lots of elemetns from other genres like action scenes, moments of drama and/or comedy but the focus in all of the superhero films is the spectacle of the hero him or herself… and it strikes me as strange that anyone would get tired of an entire genre of filmmaking.

     

    Do people get tired of action films? Or do they get tired of bad/lazy/cliche action films? I’m tired of bad superhero films and am happy that all evidence says The Avengers isn’t one of them (can’t wait to see it this weekend!).

     

    But even if I didn’t consider the suphero films a genre in itself I am still far from tired of them. There is far too much potential in this kind of filmmaking and we finally have the technological advancements to really make it come alive. I say go nuts.

     

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    Also, were you okay when you filmed this Weekly Wringer, Commodore? It might just be my imagination but you seem sort of distracted and out of it. frown

  • AkiraVGA
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 12:15 AM | Permalink

    The blur that has created any kind of “thumbs down” to super hero movies is the idea of the “super” hero. Many of the past movies are based on the origin story because it’s the story of the character’s begining that is the most interesting. Once the origin story has been done, it’s all about how interesting the next villain is. This is why the Dark Knight worked so well.

    Why does the Avengers movie work? Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Thor, Hulk movies (kinda), etc. If the first X-Men movie was made with 3 or 4 origin movies before it… holy crap it would have been bigger than what the Avengers has done.

    This is also why the next Spider-Man movie wont work past theater hype :/

     

    In the end, comics are serial…. %100 with the first movie, %40 or less after. Several origin movies leading up to a team?… Awesome$$$$$$$

  • Mog Mog
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 1:08 AM | Permalink

    I’ll likely never get tired of super hero movies as I never get tired of super heroes.  The idea of people with superhuman abilities intrigues me.  That being said I’ve by and large not much cared for this current wave of super hero movies.  Spiderman put me to sleep.  Xmen had a few I thought were somewhat watchable, but was largely disappointing.  Batman I hate.  Dragonball Z was terrible.  The rest all bored me to tears.  Can you get tired of something you never really liked?  Sin City was cool.

  • Lord of Nothing
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 1:43 AM | Permalink

    I played Superman 64 at a friends house once and like everyone else who picked it up, thought it was utter crap from a mean and spitting camel. So my whole idea on reciving Infamous along with my PS3 was a little disapointing. It was a bundle game and apart of my Christmas so I didn’t complain, but when I started playing it, I loved it. All because it wasn’t a differant take on an all ready established franchise like the Zelda or Mario games, but a whole new take on a genre! The superhero genre has been flooded with adaptations. A genre cannot subsist on just adaptations from another media for the course of its life, it will die and in a few decades be reborn. 

    Generally, companies are shortsighted in terms of profit. They want to see profit now and not loose money, ever. They will stick to the adaptation forumla because it has worked, but it won’t last forever. I think once all these Avengers sequals die out, the field will be barren and the producers won’t notice until they loose mega bucks. If they want to keep making more money off the paying public they need to evolve. Infamous changed the whole concept of a superhero game for me because it was: fun, page turing story, great voices of characters I loved, and one of the best villians a game has ever had. I think that the movies could do the same if they could evolve from just doing the superhero adaption and move into something else. 

    Oh just thought of this! Instead of crashing another member of the Justice League like they did with Superman and Green Lanturn, how bout they do one of DC’s more threatening antihero/villians as the main character: DEATHSTROKE! That would be awesome!

  • Mr. K Mr. K
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 1:43 AM | Permalink

    Daredevil was definitely not a good movie

    Aww. I like that one.

    One thing that’s beginning to happen that I’m already tired of are series being started all over again, sometimes even too soon. Spider-Man is the best example; did they really need to start the whole series all over again already?

    Well, there’s a reason for that. The current run of Marvel movies are done by Paramount. The previous run, like the Spider-Man movies and X-Men, were done by Fox. Fox won’t release the film rights for the actors, so Marvel was left with no choice but to make another movie, just to establish new actors in the roles so that the characters can be used in subsequent films. If you want Spider-Man in an Avengers movie, this is the only way to do it.

    Plus, Amazing Spider-Man is supposed to have a lot of flashbacks to when Peter Parker was younger, and Tobey Maguire is too old.

    A lot of fans also consider Spider-Man 2 to be better than the original

    I feel this way. The entire movie was a character drama. The others are one quarter character drama, three quarters action. I liked this one because I could connect with the characters and not be blown away by what they were doing.

  • Namekian
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 1:44 AM | Permalink

    I have been a comic book collector for over 20 years, and I can say there is more then enough material for good superhero movies. And the only reason why it is stale is because the movies are forced to follow the same-old same-old method of telling a story.

    The problem is Hollywood and the way it sees movies, they need to stop making them standalone stories, and I am not talking about sequels. The Avengers is a good example of a progression of movies coming together, sort of like comics themselves.

    Reboots are also what makes the movies boring. Good or bad, directors need to reconize the previous movies and start telling stories instead of starting over with the origin story. They need to take a cue from the comics where regardless of the change of writers and/or artists, it continues to move forward.

    Take a look at the DCAU movies, a recent example being Batman – Year One. For those that have seen the movie, wouldn’t that have made for a better story then Batman Begins? Why do most superhero movies have to have only one main villian? Why do they generally kill them off at the end of the movie?

     

  • Aestolia
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 3:53 AM | Permalink

    Superhero movies are Hollywoods version of reality TV. 

    Let turn out mediocre (for the most part) swill and people will chew it up because they’re fans of the hero. I guess an average super hero movis better than a bad movie, but I’d like to see something a little fresher. Prometheus for example, while yes is based off of a pre existing franchise, is at least based on something that hasn’t been touched in 15 years (not counting the avp movies, which i’d argue aren’t really Alien movies)

    I LOVED Live free or Die Hard. Was it a great movie? no not really, but it was a blast from the past, a DIE HARD movie, it was great times! Hollywood has gotten stale, and it seems afraid to do something new. While I’d like to see something new for once, I’d settle for something that at least needs to be dusted off.

    The big problem I have with all the superhero movies is that it seems to lack any kind of concequence. 

    ‘Well, that was a shit Hulk movie’
    ‘That’s alright, just make another one and we’ll say we’re rebooting it.’

    This is not the way it should work.

  • The Male White Mage The Male White Mage
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 7:00 AM | Permalink

    I’ve recently started arguing that these huge numbers should be based on ticket sales and not ticket price, because it’s quickly becoming some arbitrary number that’s going to be beaten every couple of years based simply on inflation.

    I have never thought of that.

    It’s not about story or character development, like it once was (because I really LOVE classic Hollywood films).

    I find black and white movies and even silent movies more entertaining than some stuff today, and they didn’t have massive special effect filled movies back then.

  • UncleSamsHatchet
    Posted May 10, 2012 at 1:48 PM | Permalink

    I am kinda getting tired of super hero movies myself, I saw The Avengers last night and I really enjoyed it, I think the reason I liked it so much though is because I knew all of the characters and their backstory, Marvel’s plan to have every Avenger have their own movie was really smart and thats why I think it works well with lots of action and some arguing between the heroes and it make it seem to move fast. I can see myself not enjoying the Spiderman reboot because I already know how Peter Parker is a huge nerd, and that he gets bit by a radioactive spider, but it seems like they are going to show everything, and I guess they have to for a younger audince, but still its kinda annoying to me. And looking at rumors of superhero movies coming out, I can see it becoming stale fast, but Hollywood will use this money pit until it runs dry, and its kinda weird to think that 30,40 or 50 years ago most people associated comic books with being nerdy, but now every person and their dog thinks they are the best thing since sliced bread, it would be cool if we saw a Starcraft, Diablo or a Magic the Gathering movie come out with a $100 million dollar budget directed by Joss Whedon and see how people reacted.

  • Evilralph1
    Posted May 11, 2012 at 2:45 AM | Permalink

    As long as they keep making comic books and people keep buying them, someone in Hollywood is going to make a movie about it. 

    Personally, the next superhero movie I’m looking forward to is The Expendables 2.  Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Van Damme will always be superheros to me. 

  • pfehlicks
    Posted May 11, 2012 at 5:39 AM | Permalink

    I think there are two sides to this whole “reboot culture”. Sure it is always easier to just remake something. You don’t have to come up with something completely original and chances are very high people are going to watch a movie (or movie franchise) they’re already familiar with. On the other hand you have to realize that being familiar with something isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Superheros work because there’re underlying, universal themes like the classic “good vs. evil” motif, love, teen angst, alienation, global conflicts, etc. many people can relate to. These are basic topics which won’t cease to exist. So every now and then a classic superhero tale is retold, just in a new look. That doesn’t make it bad. When the first Raimi-Spiderman came to the cinemas I was 16. Now 10 years have passed. I think it’s great to see a new version of the classic story. (And I really like Andrew Garfield. Everbody should watch “Boy A” and “Never Let Me Go”. Now.) I mean, isn’t that the same reason why many people want a Final Fantasy VII remake? A familiar story you love, but an updated version of it (in terms of technical aspects)? Of course it’s easy to condemn reboots, but I think making fast and easy money is not the only reason for them being made. And why should a 16 year old kid go to the video store to rent the Raimi-Spiderman, when he could go to the cinema, watch the new franchise, and maybe be blown away by it, like I was when I was that age, without having to play catch up regarding Spiderman’s origins. Because the big screen was made for movies like these, right?

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like I am the super nostalgic type. I’m up for new and fresh ideas, but I think the whole superhero genre is a very traditionalistic (almost limited in a way) one, based on the purpose superheros serve. So, and of course I can only speak for myself, as long they find good ways of retelling classic stories, I’m okay with reboots.

    Oh, one last point. To answer the actual question. I think most people would agree that there’s an obvious difference between something like the Batman franchise and something like The Avengers, the latter being good, clean fun, but not being particularly deep or well-acted. Movies like The Avengers are fun to watch for their duration of approx. 90 minutes and they especially work well on a big screen, with a great sound system and the whole 3D thing (please, somebody make it stop!!) and that’s that. But Nolan’s (and also Burton’s) Batman franchise, for example, is a whole different thing. It has a much more emotional resonance (at least with me). Anyhow, my point is: as long as there’s a balance between these two categories … keep superhero movies coming.

  • Unseasonably
    Posted May 12, 2012 at 2:08 AM | Permalink

    Comments on this WW: Wow, I’m shocked I got mentioned especially when I went back and re-read my comment. I didn’t really feel like I had made that solid of a point, but I’ll go with your extrapolation, Commodore!

    QotW: Are you tired of superhero movies? Yes and no. I know that’s kinda wishy-washy, but hear me out. I used to work at a comic shop for a few years. I loved/hated that job. It really was a sweet gig, but some of the stuff you hear while you work there is brain-numbing after a few goes. I remember when I was working there Hellboy was coming out in theatres (the first one) and I was crazy-psycho happy about it because I was “that girl” in the comic shop, you know? The one who didn’t really care for any of the main comics but always made the special orders and, frankly, wouldn’t miss a Hellboy issue if it meant I had to kill a man (Disclaimer: I never had to kill a man). I would try to foist our free passes to go see it on everyone who came through the door, not because it was my job, but because I was in love with the concept. Then I saw it. I was even more in love. Fast forward a couple of years to Hellboy II: The Golden Army. I went into this with equal passion and fervor.

    What a mistake.

    Del Toro destroyed that movie. He was all hopped up on his recent successes (which were, btw, very good) and decided that the source material needed a little Daddy Del Toro in it. Well, that brings me to today. I still adore the Hellboy franchise and the first movie. I’ve even been kind enough to say of the second movie that it’s “a pretty darn good movie, just a shitty Hellboy movie”.

    Tying this back into the question, I think, in essence, that’s what’s going on with a lot of superhero movies. Not so much that they’re getting shitty, but that they’re being wrung for every last red cent that can be gotten from them before people wise up. There have been plenty of worthwhile Superhero movies during this boom; The first and second X-Men, Watchmen (if you forgive the ending change), Hellboy (surprise, surprise), the greater part of Iron Man, and of course the Chris Nolan Batman movies. However, if you look at a list of superhero movies in the past decade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_superhero_films) you’ll see a whole heck of a lot more that just sucked or were “meh”.

    So, yes, yes I am tired of them. Why, because they’re not interested in making them well. They’re interested in making a buck off of a famous property. When they do make them well, I’d hazard to say it’s dumb luck.

  • Mr. K Mr. K
    Posted May 12, 2012 at 3:00 AM | Permalink

    I’m just gonna come out and say it. The Avengers was really just an average movie. I’m glad I only paid to see the matinee (in 2D). It was filled with the equivalent of junior high potty humor, a superficial script and a predictable plot totally dependent upon graphics and explosions. There was nothing inherently special about The Avengers to merit this “new” spot in movie history.

    I’ve recently started arguing that these huge numbers should be based on ticket sales and not ticket price, because it’s quickly becoming some arbitrary number that’s going to be beaten every couple of years based simply on inflation.

    Anyway, I’m so tired of super hero movies, because the majority of them are simply terrible (notice I said The Avengers was just average).

    The biggest problem is that a majority of these movies are written by script writers and not comic writers. Many of them start out promising, but fall short by the end. My go-to example of this is the first Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movie. The first 45 minutes is great, but then loses all semblance of plot. Why? Because the movie reaches a point where it is no longer a character-driven story. It changes its tone completely based on the fact that the first 45 minutes had little to no action at all.

    So that’s the rub. We go in expecting to see a comic book on film, but if they marketed only to those of us expecting that, they’d only sell a third of the tickets they could possibly sell. The movie industry is a business. It’s not about story or character development, like it once was (because I really LOVE classic Hollywood films). It’s about coming in first at least two consecutive weekends and blowing  away records.

    But then, there’s the flipside of this. The Dark Knight. It tried to be too much of a comic book and the plot dragged out too long. There was too much superfluous information and I almost had the feeling that you kind of had to “wait” for the next arc in the plot to start– like waiting on the next issue to launch. I’m not trying to insult the story, because it had a damned good story, but didn’t work as a whole.

    So:

    • Spider-Man = good movie, but bad comic book movie.
    • The Dark Knight = good comic book movie, but bad movie.

    Though every once in a while you get a movie like Batman Begins and Watchmen (which I argue is even better than the graphic novel, mainly because the weird squid is gone) that simply blow away all expectations. Those two met that balance between making a good comic book movie and making a good movie perfectly. 

    In summation, I am sick of superhero movies. But I don’t think Hollywood should stop making them until they get Superman right. Which I’m not entirely convinced this upcoming movie is going to do. Even Christopher Reeve couldn’t get Superman right– not even the 1970s Superman.

  • Mr. K Mr. K
    Posted May 12, 2012 at 3:03 AM | Permalink

    Watchmen (if you forgive the ending change)

    I’m not sure I could have accepted a giant squid on camera– and I’ve been a fan of Watchen for years. I thought the movie ending was perfectly done and was integrated seamlessly into the plot. I don’t think I would have had it any other way.

    The squid worked in the comics, but I doubt it could have worked on film.

  • The Male White Mage The Male White Mage
    Posted May 12, 2012 at 7:14 AM | Permalink

    Okay since this is on topic with this Wringer lets talk about Captain Canuck.

    So reading up on CaptainCanuck.com looks like there is a movie going to be made of him:

    July 30, 2011

    “Minds Eye Entertainment to Develop Feature Film Based on Canadian Superhero CAPTAIN CANUCK

    (Los Angeles, CA) July 19 , 2011 Minds Eye Entertainment has picked up the rights to the Canadian comic book Superhero CAPTAIN CANUCK from writer/creator Richard Comely, as announced today by Kevin DeWalt, CEO and President of Minds Eye. Working closely with Comely, Minds Eye is currently in development on a film adaptation based on the comic book series.”

    “DeWalt said: I have always been a big fan of CAPTAIN CANUCK, and we are honored to be working with Richard on bringing Canada’s greatest Superhero to the big screen.”

    “Creator Comely said: I’ve had a great beginning with Minds Eye. I’m confident we can make a movie that will appeal to audiences both in Canada and around the world.”

    So do I want to see it, not very likely since after reading Captain Canuck: The Complete Edition the best and only thing I liked about it is how the art style has changed over time. There was nothing special about him or the stories nor the events in the comic excepts for one thing, I really liked how he was just a normal person with high intelligence, physically fit and well trained not like how most superheroes are born different or get their powers by science or extraterrestrial manners… … … … why must there have been a flashback to how Captain Canuck was scanned with an alien rays gun? I liked my back story better.

    So I ask how will the movie be when the comic didn’t have anything going for it, or is it going to be based off the Captain Canuck: Unholy War comics which looking at the preview pages of the comic on the site it looks likes things that American movies are already doing. Than again typing that I remembered a local film maker movies I wanted to check out since he was local until I seen the trailers and they looked like he just copied American shows/movies.

  • Matthias
    Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:37 AM | Permalink

    [*Pretention Alert!* ^Cynic Alert!^]

    This may seem out there but I like trying to comment here by offering my remote perspective on things

    I’m not really immersed in anymore.

    First of all, I never got into the superhero movie craze. I found it uninspiring from the beginning, even the very first

    Spiderman movie which my sister loved just because it was spider man. For me (because of my age) spider man

    was the beginning to what we are experiencing now.

    Like others above have pointed out, I think Hollywood is cashing in on this craze, which for me has at least two

    different audiences. First, there are those who have grown up watching superhero cartoons, reading superhero comic

    books, and have been consuming this material one way or another for a long time. I think nostalgia has been

    commoditized for these people and old feelings and memories are being sold back to them. However, because

    this experience has been reified [*You have been Warned*], this original material is being sold back in an alienated

    form that (for reasons of profit) must extend to a large portion of the rest of the population by being made completely

    and utterly generic. Some of these movies are filled with easy, lazy and often sleazy humour, interesting characters made

     boring through terrible though intentional writing and sometimes awful acting, and unnecessary and blatantly over

    sexualized EVERYTHING. What is more, these films are being written to extract as much capital as possible by

    either writing origin stories, then prequels, then cross overs, then sequel after sequel, etc. (someone already

    mentioned this and I completely agree). [^You have been warned^] It is my opinion that this isn’t necessarily poorly

    treating original source material, but instead this is the ‘cultural logic of late capitalism’ and is the same reason you see people wearing space invader and pac man t-shirts who obviously NEVER played those games or played anything other than mode

    rn warfare. What was once special and truly geeky has become profitable and aspect of popular culture for better or

    for worse.

    But what I find truly boring about these movies is that despite what appears in each one of these films to be unique

    content, characters, plots, etc., they largely (for me) tell the same story by way of the same frame work and moral

    perspective. As mentioned above, they all use the “good vs evil” dichotomy and frame whatever plot dealing within

    whatever super hero universe while throwing in one, of what seems like a standardized list, of analogous current social

    issues in order to tell the same story over and over. Good and evil is downright boring. [*You have been warned*]

    Nietzsche did away with these assumed absolute values back in the 19th century. They were boring then and they are

    boring now! The only ‘superhero’ movie (that comes to mind) I truly enjoyed was The Watchmen. That was a story

    about a world that believes its existence is permitted by maintaining their ‘good vs. evil’ convictions, which by the

    end of the film, the audience finds out isn’t true at all. The message was WAY more interesting than seeing the origin,

    the testing, or the vindication of ‘Good’ and ‘Evil’ over and over again.

    So yeah, I’m really tired of superhero movies. But maybe I’m just tired of ‘superheros’

     

  • Matthias
    Posted May 13, 2012 at 12:51 AM | Permalink

    Just reread my  comment and I apologize for coming across like a troll. But I guess I am just cynical over

    the fact that there is such a napparent lack of creativity or inspiration going on in Hollywood right now. This

    wasy one way of expressing that sentiment.

    However, I think people will admit that things have been looking this way for a while. One only has to look at all the

    remakes coming out that aren’t even that old…total recall…footloose…2 snow whites…just check out this list:

    http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/upcoming-movie-remakes/

    all of these probably will never happen but the list is long enough that even if twenty per cent of these things come

    out… 

    Can superhero movies be related to this wider trend? I think so for reasons mentioned by me and others

    who have commented.

  • IAMAuthor
    Posted May 13, 2012 at 4:20 AM | Permalink

    I agree with people saying Super hero moves have becume their own thing in a way its true since, it has its own formula in a way the first of each seem to with a few exception. One hero shows up gets powers and we see the introduction of a villain.

    Its familiar to the structure of the hero’s quest more or less and to be honest its a tired and true idea. And like all we see are floaps and our sucsess.  I enjoy them i like to see diffrent peoples take on them but one way or the other thy are here to stay people paying for these movies like the idea of the Super hero movies and adpetations cause they no there is a fan base so even a bad movie will still bring in money. A sad truth to be sure, but in the end its just like a comic book always adapting showing of the current times and reflecitng our likes and dislikes all the more. I have a feeling it will see s decline soon and we won’t get another Avengers sucsess level but I am sure they are here to stay at this point reflecing us just like the comics they are baised on.

  • Unseasonably
    Posted May 13, 2012 at 4:24 PM | Permalink

    @Mr. K — I think both have their merits. However, I do agree that with the film condensed how it was, there was no way for the squid to work. There was no establishment at all.

  • Mr. K Mr. K
    Posted May 13, 2012 at 6:15 PM | Permalink

    Unseasonably, I think even if the script had been left 100 percent intact, I still would have wanted the squid left out.

    As it is, I still only watch the extended cut.

  • Garmonbozia
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 6:28 AM | Permalink

    Honestly, I know I’m alone on this, but I couldn’t stand the Rorschach voice.  The narraration really bugged me and it interrupted the experience for me. 

  • Garmonbozia
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 7:35 AM | Permalink

    It’s an interesting point that your making about Superhero movies being there own genre, and I think it’s entirely true. It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. There’s a similar thing with popular music. For example, a lot of popular rap music has more in common with other popular acts like Taylor swift then it does with there independent counterparts, like say Dose One. Meanwhile I think independent rap like Dose One actually has more in common with an independent rock then it does with popular Rap. It’s hard to explain, but I really think it’s true. I’ve been studying music for a long time and I really do see more similarities.

    That being said, I maintain my original sentiments, I think Superhero movies are an economic convience. To me it makes sense. If I was a film producer and I was given two scripts, both of high quality, one being completly original and new but with the risk of failure, and the other, based on a pre-established fan base but a damned good script, I’m not going to take the one that has the least amount of risks, that being the one with the pre-established fan base.  Taking the risk is an artistic choice, not an economic one. And I do feel that producers can be artists in their own right, however, I think your still going to consider the economic benefits of both. And lets be honest, not all producers are artists, and they’d be willing to settle for a bad film that would sell well vs. a great film that makes pennies. 

  • Sonic Rose sonicrose
    Posted May 16, 2012 at 11:52 PM | Permalink

    Will I get sick of Super Hero Movies? Well…

    I will get sick of constant serial REBOOTS. I loved X-Men First Class, adore it really. But I am not looking forward to the new Spider Man movie AT all. And one of the strong points of the Avengers is that the same people who played the characters in prior movies are here again – except for Hulk. Well, I know who Toby McGuire’s Spider Man is.

    As of right now, Sam Raimi and Joss Whedon have given me the Super Hero movies I always wanted to see. When you think about how much twisting and editing Spider Man 1 had to get after 9/11, or how many movies came before the Avengers, what miraculous marvels (no pun intended) they actually are!

    So… if Avengers is the pinacle, the very peak of Super Hero Movies…. it’s all downhill from here.

    That’s not to say there hasn’t already been some drek out there (I’ve heard horrible things about Jonah Hex and other various heroes. I also did NOT like SuperMan Returns and don’t get me started on the Wolverine movie…).

    Right now, it seems that talent, effects and budget are aligned and the time is ripe for SuperHero movies.

    There may be a dark horizon in the future, but until I see Spider Man: Origins 2 and Plastic Man returns or Superman 3000, the movie we should have made, I think I could stand SH movies for a long time to come.

     

    What would I watch in the meantime anyway? Another crass comedy that offends everyone I know in some way? An Adam Sandler movie that is funny then sucker punches you with a moral? Romance comedies? Dramas?

    …You know, I love that Captain America is not afraid to use a gun. But part of the reason I like super heroes is they can be more creative than a bullet to the brain or an arrow to the knee.

  • Garmonbozia
    Posted May 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM | Permalink

    I loved the Avengers.  Had a blast. 

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