Weekly Wringer #107: Videogame Encyclopedias!

The Commodore added a new house to his inventory! Aside from apologizing for the delay in video production as a result, take a look at his completely barren setting while he still lives out of boxes to talk about videogame encyclopedias! Which game or universe should have one? Stick around to hear about next week’s question about anime and videogames. It’s the Weekly Wringer!

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  • Posted July 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM | Permalink

    I wish I could provide an adequate, or even a sub par answer. I don’t know why they get clumped together all the time. I can’t stand anime, but am enthralled with video games. It would be much better to go places without the anime being so heavily associated.

  • Markies
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 2:55 PM | Permalink

    I am fascinated and would love to learn more about Anime. I usually don’t like many of the tropes of Anime and that is why I usually stay away from it.

    I think the reason they are grouped with video games is because they are both from Japan. Video Games and Anime originally started off in Japan and they share similarities because of it. They have similar themes and the two of them cross over constantly with each other. In fact, some video games are just interactive Anime.

    I don’t think they are closely related to each other, but they are more like friends of one another…

  • AkiraVGA
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM | Permalink

    Japanese fantasy story telling video-wise since the 80’s has a feel unlike anything I have personally experienced from any other part of the world. There’s a familiar tone when watching/playing something new that reminds you of past experiences which doesn’t really lump everything into the same space in your mind… but, very few stepping stones are needed to carry a conversation from a game to an anime.
    An example comes to mind when a friend of mine (who I’ve only ever talked to about games) suggested I check out Howl’s Moving Castle and he let me borrow the DVD. After I watched it, I called him up right away and said it was like, “a movie made about a RPG I never played”. There was a pause and then he blurted, “EXACTLY!”.
    In short, the story telling and borderless worlds of imagination exist on their own. Shown through a game or anime, we feel something we love which is recognizable beyond words.
    Impossible to directly answer with words but if someone reading this is nodding their head… there it is.

    • Tim Tim
      Posted July 28, 2014 at 7:20 PM | Permalink

      And that’s a great way to say basically what I wanted to say with less text 🙂

  • Tim Tim
    Posted July 28, 2014 at 6:30 PM | Permalink

    I can only speak for myself really, though I believe it is the same cause for many others like me.
    I grew up with video games, mostly the Nintendo ones. Atari and Commodore wasn’t as big here like Nintendo and Sega consoles were, at least for kids my age. So when the 4 year old me played Mega Man 2 and The Legend of Zelda – I dreamt of making games myself when I grew older. Where are games made? Well it said “Made in Japan” on the cartridges. So I developed an interest in Japan as a country along with it’s culture.

    I was exposed to anime early as well, because my dad knew the guy who imported a few series to Sweden and we got those VHS tapes (Starzinger, also known as Spaceketeers in the US I believe. From the late ’70s).

    However, I loved games and wanted to make my own, or at least know more about the games I loved (the latter probably applies to more people). I saw there was some Japanese comic books being released widely in Sweden, Manga… Looked cool, so I bought some and was hooked. They weren’t like other comics – they were a bit different! More magic, more adventure, more fantasy. It was a lot like the games I played as a kid. The same “logic”, the same magic crystals that needed to be found to save the world, the same boss battles, the same mute 16-year-olds with spiky hair saving the world. And anime is just an extension of that: Japanese cartoons that are animated.

    Nowadays there are many more non-Japanese games out there, but most geeks seem to like the retro stuff as well.

    So that’s where I come from, and that’s what I think.
    Anime (and manga) got discovered by gamers because of their Japanese origins, and they stuck because the stories often were the comic or cartoon form of the adventure that the games had. They’re both products of the same culture and same values.

    But let’s look at it from another view!
    Many who like tabletop role playing games, the computer versions of those games or other “American” games seems to be into the classic comic books like X-Men, Batman and Spiderman. Once again, products of the same culture and values. Less magic, more darkness and grittiness, less spiky hair and more parents dying.

    I’m rambling again…
    Nice to hear that you liked my suggestion 🙂

  • Posted July 29, 2014 at 5:27 AM | Permalink

    Well, it could probably just be as simple as the fact that anime conventions where already an established thing before gaming conventions started to pop up, and it didn’t hurt either side to combine the two. Though for the states I think Comic-Con was the first big convention, but that was a far different beast back then. Even today, video gaming only conventions have proven difficult to maintain. E3 and PAX are something of a different beast because they are conventions that the industry acknowledges (sort of like San Diego’s Comic-Con). Anime on the other hand has seen a growth in conventions, so it makes since for gaming and table-top gaming to piggy back off of that success. I’ll also save the explaining of how most gamers are anime fans, but just don’t want to admit it or know it for another time.

  • punch_a_bunch_a_buttons punch_a_bunch_a_buttons
    Posted July 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM | Permalink

    I love anime, always have, just like video games. But they are two completely different categories in they very nature. That doesn’t mean they can’t be brought close together.

    Economically, they are good for auto advertisement. One might be into the game of let’s say DragaonBall and that person might end up beeing interrested in watching the whole series just because they play it’s game. This goes beyond the anime like American comic books. I might end up looking for who X-23 is after playing Marvel Vs Capcom 3. And in reverse, i might look for the game of an awesome series like for example Fullmetal Alchemist (witch I’m sure they all blow).

    The other reason why again, in my none proven opinion, they are intertwined together as much as they are because of 2 things. The best game came from the same place were “cartoons” were the best. And the fact that in the past all we had was those 10 images per spirits to tell us a complicated stories. Unlike today the stories games tell us was not presented to us like a movie but with barely comprehensible spirits and environment and a whole lot of reading. But we also got the artworks of that game witch made the whole experience. Go back to the first Zelda game and imagine playing with link in his pixel form never to know what he looked like with the artwork surrounding it and you’ll get what I mean. Personnaly I really liked the first 2 Breath of Fire because i wasn’t playing with these ridiculous spirits on the screen but with this blue haired young hero and the black winged magician. Same can be told with the Tales series, SotN and many other games… I think this phenomenon was a must because the graphics of the time asked it to be this way. Today everything looks so great that artworks are only for advertisement and I see it more of a bonus then necessity.

    I feel like it got stuck ever since the past and people are now having fun with it just joining the two world.

    Ludicrous maybe. I don’t know.

  • mrandycretin mrandycretin
    Posted August 2, 2014 at 5:19 PM | Permalink

    I’m not 100% sure as to why video games and anime get grouped together. ..maybe because a lot of it’s from japan? who knows. i’d say, “most people who like anime like video games”, but i think most people just like video games in general…and some people who like video games like anime. i guess i could see video games getting roped into any kind of geeky/nerdy culture, just because there’s so many kind of video games; they have a wide appeal. someone might not like final fantasy, but i’m sure they like something. (be it mario or madden, or what have you)

    but i am happy the two things get roped together. my girlfriend is a longtime fan of anime. and though i don’t care for any anime i’ve ever seen, i enjoy the conventions. because there’s something there for both of us. (hell, she even cosplayed as lucca from chrono trigger.) so she can cosplay and see all the stuff she likes, but i can also find at least a game vendor or two and have fun doing that. also, the two anime conventions i’ve gone to have each had a “video game room” where there’s nothing in the room but games that are free to play. so that’s pretty awesome.

    there’s no major video game conventions near where i live, but apparently there’s high enough demand for anime to have those kind of conventions nearby. so it’s nice that the gamers can get their conning done at the same time.

    to answer your question: i don’t know, but i’m in favor of it. if everything i didn’t want to go to had video games, that would be totally fine with me.

  • Posted August 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM | Permalink

    Hey Commodore, sorry it’s been a while since I’ve been on to see your awesome videos,having 101 be the last I’ve watched. I’m glad to see the show is staying strong! Congratulations on the house!

  • Posted August 2, 2014 at 6:32 PM | Permalink

    Still waiting on episode 200~ 🙂 What about Borderlands? The Myst games? Maybe video games and anime are grouped together because of the artwork involved? I know it’s a simple answer. Both rely on people appreciating the person’s art to survive?

  • I Feel Asleep I Feel Asleep
    Posted August 4, 2014 at 8:23 AM | Permalink

    I think it is because both anime and video games were aimed at the same age range. Many games used to be based on anime, especially in Japan and the people who liked one would check the other. This has changed some over the years, but the link still remains. At least that’s my take on it anyway.

  • DTX180
    Posted August 4, 2014 at 10:17 PM | Permalink

    Because they are both associated with Japan and “geek culture” (at least in the 90s, sometime in the 00s anime and gaming kinda became the norm).

  • Lupucillo Lupucillo
    Posted August 5, 2014 at 2:20 PM | Permalink

    Video games and Anime are usually grouped together as a consequence of Anime and video games escalating in popularity in the late 90’s to early 00’s with mainly Japanese games on PlayStation going to the mainstream and being heavily advertised, and publications like Shonen Jump popularizing these two things kind of in the same light. Likewise, Shonen Jump related events also served to advertise the latest video games of the 6th generation, furthering the intertwining. It’s the coincidential product of advertising, as well as the social stereotype which assumed that both Anime and video games have a strong, cult-like geek following, so it’s natural to the society as a whole to lump those two things together.

    In Japan it’s kind of intermingled, because anime and video games are often provided by the same company, which leads to lots of cross-over between both mediums. Also, a lot of game developers were inspired by anime and by early action movies like Mad Max, Blade Runner, Commando and Alien (Metal Max, Fist of the North Star, Genesis Climber MOSPEADA, Contra, Snatcher, etc). As a Japanese-born Westerner, I experienced lots of cross-over between Anime and video games in the arcades, at the mall and on television, and on early systems like PC Engine and Family Computer. It’s more of a cultural thing, the otaku culture.

  • Mog Mog
    Posted August 11, 2014 at 10:09 AM | Permalink

    Why they’re so connected for me (aside from the obvious of both being primarily Japanese and Japan having one hell of an artistic boom) is because anime and video games both felt like they grew up with me. There were popular new anime and video games designed specifically for me as a child and then as I was maturing the mediums both matured with me and offered popular new anime and video games designed specifically for me as an adult. I was able to experience the growth of these two art forms first hand as it happened.

  • Nellow
    Posted August 13, 2014 at 1:03 AM | Permalink

    Anime needs to stay away from my precious video games!!

  • Garmonbozia
    Posted August 17, 2014 at 4:59 AM | Permalink

    Hopefully I’m not repeating anything anyone else has already said. But to me, the reason seems to be that for several console generations, Japan dominated the video game industry. A lot of games were anime in style. I would guess that this was for many people, their first exposure to Japanese culture. Many may have, I would surmise, discovered anime through video games through a developed interest in Japanese culture. I wouldn’t be surprised if video games played a role in the popularization of anime in the west.

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